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Peter May talks about his book “Changing the Course: How Charlie Sifford and Stanley Mosk Integrated the PGA,” the notable Black celebrities who were crucial to creating chances for Black golfers, Sifford’s experiences and more. #GolfChannel #GolfCentral #PGATour #CharlieSifford
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- 0:01 | golf Central on YouTube is brought to
- 0:03 | you by the new Chrome tour golf ball
- 0:05 | from
- 0:06 | Callaway the PGA tour in Charlotte this
- 0:09 | week the birthplace of the late Charlie
- 0:11 | siford siford was the first black PGA
- 0:14 | Tour member in the early 1960s facing
- 0:17 | seemingly unsurmountable obstacles
- 0:19 | during the early Civil Rights era but he
- 0:22 | did have some help from a California
- 0:24 | attorney named Stanley
- 0:27 | mosque so Stanley said to me one day
- 0:30 | said Charlie said man if you play like
- 0:32 | this next week you going to win the
- 0:34 | tournament I said what tournament he
- 0:37 | said the PGA I said oh man ain’t going
- 0:39 | to let me play no
- 0:41 | PGA so he said
- 0:44 | why I said man don’t you see I’m a black
- 0:47 | man he said what difference did that
- 0:51 | make I said
- 0:53 | Stanley in the Constitution bylaws the
- 0:56 | profession of go stated only C come
- 0:59 | members professional gar Association he
- 1:02 | said oh no man I don’t believe that I
- 1:05 | said okay we going to play
- 1:08 | tomorrow so when we go back to God
- 1:10 | course the next day you understand I had
- 1:12 | it and I showed it to him so he said no
- 1:15 | no no no this is not going to
- 1:18 | happen he said will you stand by me I
- 1:21 | said yeah I stand by
- 1:23 | you Peter May spent more than four
- 1:26 | decades as a sports writer for the New
- 1:28 | York Times ESPN and the Boston Globe
- 1:31 | among others earlier this year he wrote
- 1:33 | a book about cord’s journey and the
- 1:36 | influence of Stanley mosque it’s called
- 1:38 | changing the course how Charlie sifford
- 1:41 | and Stanley mosque integrated the
- 1:45 | PGA we welcome Peter May to golf Central
- 1:48 | Peter thanks for being here let me ask
- 1:50 | you first what motivated you to write
- 1:52 | this story about cord and
- 1:55 | mosque uh partly when it was because uh
- 1:59 | the Caucasian and only Clause uh I felt
- 2:02 | had never been really seriously
- 2:04 | investigated as to why it was there and
- 2:07 | why it was so hard to
- 2:09 | remove and I always found that if you’re
- 2:12 | talking about an issue like that it’s
- 2:14 | always best to tell it uh through the
- 2:17 | stories of individuals and Charlie
- 2:19 | cifford uh was The prominent black
- 2:22 | golfer of his time who fought this and
- 2:25 | Stanley mosque was the Attorney General
- 2:27 | of California uh who threat the PGA uh
- 2:31 | and browbeat the PGA into eventually
- 2:35 | dropping the clause which he rightly
- 2:37 | called an obnoxious restriction in
- 2:40 | 1961 interesting note about this time
- 2:43 | period the boxer Joe Lewis was
- 2:46 | enormously popular in this era so much
- 2:48 | so that he was often invited to play
- 2:51 | golf at courses that were restricted as
- 2:53 | you put it what can you tell us about
- 2:55 | Lewis’s influence in setting the tone
- 2:58 | for the eventual Rel relxing of the
- 3:00 | color
- 3:01 | barrier well he was a he was as you
- 3:03 | mentioned he was enormously popular uh
- 3:06 | and he was a very good golfer as well so
- 3:09 | uh it wasn’t uh that the PGA uh
- 3:12 | tournaments didn’t want him for just his
- 3:14 | star power they wanted him because he
- 3:16 | was a good player but Joe Lewis also
- 3:19 | bankrolled a lot of the black golfers uh
- 3:22 | behind the scene and uh under the table
- 3:25 | and over the table one of those was Ted
- 3:27 | rhods who uh Charlie sord thought was
- 3:30 | the best black offer of his time but he
- 3:32 | never uh had the chance to do what
- 3:34 | Charlie did but Joe Lewis bankrolled him
- 3:37 | made him his personal coach and uh he
- 3:41 | did so with another black Pro as well so
- 3:44 | Joe Lewis and Billy Xin the great bat uh
- 3:47 | band leader and singer were the two
- 3:50 | prominent uh black uh celebrities of
- 3:53 | their time who bankrolled these golfers
- 3:56 | and Charlie sifford was on Billy
- 3:58 | Einstein’s payroll for about 10 years
- 3:59 | years so they were the two but Joe is
- 4:02 | the golfer of the Billy became a good
- 4:03 | golfer because Charlie taught him uh Joe
- 4:06 | was a terrific player as well and that
- 4:08 | was my next question the jazz artist
- 4:10 | Billy exin what other than bankrolling
- 4:13 | certain athletes what else did he do to
- 4:15 | to influence the
- 4:17 | change um well basically he he brought
- 4:20 | his band to places and you know he it
- 4:23 | was mainly with Charlie he he he put
- 4:25 | Charlie on his payroll for $150 a week
- 4:29 | uh and he was mindful of the fact that
- 4:31 | wherever he played uh south of the Mason
- 4:34 | Dixon line which was uh where a lot of
- 4:37 | the good golf was uh he couldn’t stay in
- 4:39 | those ballrooms where he played and
- 4:41 | Charlie couldn’t either so they had to
- 4:43 | always find places to stay or they would
- 4:45 | drive through the night after a show to
- 4:48 | another place so his Billy Einstein was
- 4:51 | really um he he was a supporter of what
- 4:54 | was known then as the ug the United
- 4:56 | golfers association once was the
- 4:58 | organization that black golfers formed
- 5:01 | uh because they couldn’t become members
- 5:03 | of the PGA and they had their own
- 5:04 | schedule and their own tournaments uh
- 5:06 | and Billy was very active uh in
- 5:08 | supporting that as well but individually
- 5:11 | it was Charlie sifford who he found and
- 5:14 | he kind of adopted and took him in and
- 5:17 | bankrolled him for 10 years I read about
- 5:20 | Stanley mosque in getting ready for this
- 5:22 | chat fascinating Story the child of
- 5:25 | Jewish immigrants became the AG of
- 5:28 | California later sat on that State’s
- 5:30 | Supreme Court what was his path in
- 5:33 | California and why did he decide to be
- 5:36 | such a champion for cord’s
- 5:38 | cause well he had a long history of
- 5:42 | experiencing discrimination he was the
- 5:45 | only Jew in a class of 400 in his high
- 5:47 | school uh and he was the class president
- 5:51 | and on graduation day he led the
- 5:53 | students into the auditorium and their
- 5:56 | gowns and robes and everything and the B
- 5:59 | played Onward Christian Soldiers and so
- 6:03 | he got a kick out of that at the time uh
- 6:06 | but it sort of formed him as he went
- 6:08 | through uh his adult life he was he went
- 6:12 | to law school in University of Chicago
- 6:14 | but then had to transfer to a another
- 6:16 | Law School in Southern California which
- 6:18 | kind of catered to the you know
- 6:20 | underserved Community got his law degree
- 6:23 | and then he went into politics and he
- 6:24 | became a democratic uh activist I guess
- 6:28 | you could say he was a uh he championed
- 6:30 | Democratic causes he spoke for at ACLU
- 6:33 | benefits and it came quite naturally to
- 6:36 | him because uh he was on the bench in
- 6:39 | 1947 when he ruled that uh racial
- 6:42 | covenants could not be enforced in in
- 6:45 | Southern California and that was a huge
- 6:47 | decision which uh the Supreme Court uh
- 6:51 | ruled on the next year and said the same
- 6:52 | thing that he did they you cannot
- 6:54 | enforce them and so he had a he had a
- 6:57 | real record of civil rights of champ in
- 6:59 | individual rights as soon as he took
- 7:02 | over the AG’s office he expanded it to
- 7:04 | include the first ever division of
- 7:06 | constitutional rights uh so he was on
- 7:09 | board and he hired a black NAACP
- 7:12 | attorney named Franklin Williams as his
- 7:14 | lead deputy and Frank Williams was a big
- 7:17 | part of the story uh behind the scenes
- 7:20 | uh fighting for Charlie cifford and for
- 7:23 | the end of the Caucasian only
- 7:25 | Clause what were some of the things that
- 7:27 | cord had to endure on the the golf
- 7:29 | course not just from fans but from
- 7:32 | people inside the
- 7:34 | sport well from people inside the sport
- 7:37 | he got no vocal support from any of them
- 7:41 | that I was able to find I mean there
- 7:42 | were players who uh were sympathetic to
- 7:46 | his cause they sat in the parking lot
- 7:48 | with him when he couldn’t get into the
- 7:50 | clubhouse to eat or change his clothes
- 7:53 | they were able to you know give him some
- 7:55 | golf balls and stuff like that but
- 7:58 | nobody and this is one of the real
- 8:00 | tragedies where nobody at that time
- 8:02 | raised their voice and said you know
- 8:05 | what this is wrong Charlie cord’s good
- 8:07 | enough to be playing golf in the PGA
- 8:09 | Tour Charlie cfer should be playing golf
- 8:11 | on the PGA tour and the only reason he
- 8:13 | can’t is because of the color of his
- 8:15 | skin and that’s just wrong and nobody
- 8:17 | said that nobody said that and that’s
- 8:20 | that’s one of the real tragedies because
- 8:21 | he got very very little support amongst
- 8:25 | his fellow Pros uh outside outside there
- 8:29 | you know he was getting help from Jackie
- 8:32 | Robinson and Joe Lewis and Walter winell
- 8:35 | and eventually Stanley mosque but from
- 8:37 | within very little support amongst his
- 8:40 | fellow pros and that’s that’s really
- 8:42 | disappointing you know I’m reminded of
- 8:44 | the story of Peewee Reese and Jackie
- 8:46 | Robinson and and Reese allegedly it’s
- 8:49 | kind of disputed putting his arm around
- 8:51 | Robinson to show a public display and
- 8:53 | cord was a part of a broader civil
- 8:56 | rights struggle where the nation was
- 8:58 | forced to confront its history of racial
- 9:01 | Injustice in sports cord broke the color
- 9:04 | barrier in golf 14 years after Robinson
- 9:07 | did in baseball what do you think took
- 9:09 | so long for that change to occur in
- 9:12 | golf well I think golf was a the
- 9:15 | predominantly white sport uh still is as
- 9:18 | we you know as we see um every week on
- 9:21 | the PGA tour um so I think that was part
- 9:23 | of the problem for him uh but also it
- 9:27 | just that there was no uh
- 9:30 | there was no recourse for him there was
- 9:32 | no Avenue for him
- 9:33 | he he came from a a the ug was not like
- 9:37 | the Negro Leagues in baseball there
- 9:38 | weren’t 25 guys in the ug good enough
- 9:42 | and ready enough to become professional
- 9:43 | golfers in the PGA Tour if in fact it
- 9:46 | was uh if they were able to do so but
- 9:49 | mostly it was because golf codified it
- 9:53 | baseball didn’t football didn’t no sport
- 9:55 | other than golf actually codified racial
- 9:58 | discrimination in their bylaws and
- 10:01 | that’s what took so long and I think
- 10:05 | we’re a little bit naive to think it
- 10:07 | would have happened when it did if not
- 10:09 | for Stanley mosque because in 1960 the
- 10:13 | PGA affirmed the Caucasian only Clause
- 10:17 | at its annual convention by a 4:1 margin
- 10:19 | so it wasn’t inevitable that it was
- 10:21 | going to drop it would have at some
- 10:23 | point I I’m sure of that but it wasn’t
- 10:25 | inevitable that it was going to go away
- 10:27 | when it did and the only reason it went
- 10:29 | away way when it did is because Stanley
- 10:30 | mosque uh brought down the hammer and
- 10:33 | the power of the California AG’s office
- 10:36 | it is relatively easy to compare Jackie
- 10:38 | Robinson and Charlie sifford but my
- 10:41 | understanding is that sifford didn’t
- 10:43 | always like that comparison why was that
- 10:46 | there were a lot of reasons he didn’t
- 10:48 | like that comparison one of the reasons
- 10:49 | was what we just talked about was that
- 10:52 | there was no influx of black golfers
- 10:55 | that came in after him there were a
- 10:56 | couple there was Pete Brown uh who won
- 10:58 | the 64 go Turner open the first black to
- 11:01 | win a PGA Tour event official PGA Tour
- 11:03 | event uh but there were he didn’t us he
- 11:06 | didn’t there were no floodgates to be
- 11:08 | opened and he he was by himself he
- 11:10 | didn’t have teammates he didn’t have
- 11:12 | Peewee Reese to throw his arm around him
- 11:13 | and say Hey you know we’re good he
- 11:16 | didn’t have uh you know anybody but him
- 11:19 | out there it was him against the world
- 11:22 | he didn’t have Branch Ricky supporting
- 11:23 | him he there was none of that so he had
- 11:26 | to do it on his own and
- 11:29 | back in 19 you know late 50s that was
- 11:31 | not an easy thing to do for a black
- 11:34 | golfer because then there were there
- 11:35 | just weren’t many of them and it is true
- 11:38 | that there was not a wave of players
- 11:41 | that followed him as followed Jackie
- 11:43 | Robinson but interestingly arguably the
- 11:46 | most significant golfer in the history
- 11:48 | of the game was significantly influenced
- 11:51 | by Charlie cfer talk about that well
- 11:54 | obviously you know Tiger has uh embraced
- 11:57 | Charlie cfer uh
- 12:00 | a lot first he he named his son Charlie
- 12:03 | after Charlie cord uh he has said that
- 12:05 | there doesn’t deserve to be a World Golf
- 12:07 | Hall of Fame if Charlie cf’s not a
- 12:09 | member Charlie CF was inducted uh he was
- 12:13 | the first black player to be first black
- 12:14 | to be inducted into the Hall of Fame
- 12:16 | tiger was uh came after him and tiger
- 12:19 | credits credits Charlie and Charlie’s
- 12:21 | perseverance and and Charley’s enduring
- 12:24 | all the things he endured to get to
- 12:26 | where he got to which enabled Tiger’s
- 12:29 | father maybe to play and if Tiger’s
- 12:31 | father didn’t play Then tiger probably
- 12:33 | would never have picked up the game and
- 12:35 | so tiger sort of traces his you know
- 12:37 | golf lineage to Charlie cfer and the
- 12:39 | battles that Charlie fought just to be
- 12:42 | able to play on a tour in doing the
- 12:44 | research for the book what were some of
- 12:46 | the most surprising or interesting
- 12:49 | things that you
- 12:50 | learned well I learned a awful lot about
- 12:53 | Stanley BOS and his life because I
- 12:57 | really didn’t know that much about him
- 12:59 | when we started out I I didn’t realize
- 13:01 | he had the career he had I mean it was
- 13:03 | on he’s been on the California he was on
- 13:05 | the California Supreme Court for 37
- 13:08 | years I also learned that he you know he
- 13:11 | had a little bit of a diance uh with
- 13:13 | another woman who was not his wife and
- 13:16 | you know that might have cost him a US
- 13:18 | senate seat and who knows what would
- 13:19 | have happened because he probably would
- 13:21 | have won the senate race in
- 13:22 | 1964 then he might not have gone to the
- 13:24 | court we don’t know what happened that’s
- 13:27 | one of the great big ifs and I just I
- 13:29 | just couldn’t help but think if it as I
- 13:31 | mentioned earlier as I I was reading
- 13:34 | about Charlie playing in these
- 13:36 | tournaments and how he would start the
- 13:38 | year he’d play in the LA open the LA
- 13:40 | open was a great tournament allowed
- 13:42 | everybody to play they didn’t care and
- 13:45 | then his schedule would just go away I
- 13:47 | mean he couldn’t play for three or four
- 13:50 | months when the tournament went South
- 13:52 | and I’m thinking how do you how do you
- 13:55 | make a living that way and this is where
- 13:56 | Billy Xin came in and where Joe came in
- 13:59 | and they they kept supporting them and
- 14:01 | they kept paying their way if if they
- 14:03 | could get into a tournament and and they
- 14:06 | could get into some tournaments in the
- 14:07 | north there it wasn’t a complete Black
- 14:09 | Ball but he couldn’t become a member and
- 14:13 | the way you got to be a PGA member in
- 14:15 | those days was that you worked in a pro
- 14:16 | shop for five years and then you applied
- 14:18 | for membership and you got it and blacks
- 14:22 | couldn’t even do that uh so there was
- 14:24 | really no path for Charlie cfer or Ted
- 14:27 | rhods or Bill Spiller any of the uh good
- 14:30 | black golfers of that time to get into
- 14:33 | the PGA they just they were completely
- 14:36 | shut
- 14:37 | off the book is called changing the
- 14:39 | course how Charlie sifford and Stanley
- 14:41 | mosque integrated the PGA Peter May
- 14:44 | thanks for the
- 14:45 | time thank you we appreciate it
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